@some_dude
101M

The problem I have with these anti systemd articles is that I don’t understand what they try to achieve. Systemd became popular because a lot of people seem to like it, both end users and distro folks, so it can’t be that horrible. I totally understand that someone may not want to use it but they are free to do so without writing a whiny blog post about it. People often state something along the lines of “but all the distros switched to systemd so I have to use it” and I think that’s a weird statement because it sounds like they try to blame distros maintainers for choosing systemd. Maintainers choose systemd because it makes their (often unpaid) work easier and if someone doesn’t like that choice they’re should spend their time maintaining an alternative instead of ranting about other peoples decision. This is linux after all and everbody is free to run whatever they want.

@Echedenyan
625d

Sorry, I downvote here because with “they’re should spend their time maintaining an alternative instead of ranting about other peoples decision” you are not addressing that most people have no the power and knowledge nor the possibility to obtain it to do that thing.

I am not speaking about dumb people, I know a lot of low-level (as classified by other people but I see them as the average ones) sysadmins that are in the situation I referenced before of not being in the possibility, mostly, to do such a change because the distro has created a hard dependency around it and also because of their lacking knowledge of programming.

@some_dude
21M

I get your point but that sentence is the essence of my problem. Just because I myself don’t have the skills to maintain some systemd alternative no one else owes me to do it.

Of course it is valid to voice concerns if the distro you use makes some big change is perfectly valid, I’m just annoyed by how everlasting this topic is.

@Echedenyan
11M

no one else owes me to do it

That is the reason of my anger. As a simple user, it is difficult to be read or understood correctly and influence the maintainers to take a decision based on it.

But even if you are user of a paid distro and not something like Debian, it is even the same or mostly the same situation.

I felt that the article was fair. It really just pointed out how massive the codebase for it is and how it has not been audited. I don’t blame distro managers for using it though if they think it makes their lives easier.

@onlooker
51M

I don’t mind systemd as long as it doesn’t get in my way, which most of the time, it doesn’t. About the only instance where I straight up didn’t want systemd was when I was trying to set up an imap service that would check my mailbox every 5 minutes.

Tried doing it with systemd, but could never wrap my head around how units work and the syntax was just baffling. For example, I never did understand the difference between WantedBy and RequiredBy. They sound way too similar. To top it off, last time I checked, if you wanted to write a service that ran periodically, you had two write two units, instead of one. Frustrated, I jumped ship to Void Linux. Runit and crontab are much, much more intuitive for me.

@some_dude
31M

If that was the only thing that annoyed you why didn’t you just install a cron daemon on your existing system?

@onlooker
11M

Honestly? No good reason. I just wanted a fresh start and an excuse to try Void, which I’ve been eyeing at the time.

@zeinok
51M

this guy do really be hating systemd

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@zeinok
51M

to me systemd is a good piece of software that solves really complex problem and making things easier.
but I don’t use systemd on my desktop, I feel it’s more suitable in professional environments considering those features systemd have.

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@zeinok
41M

I use void :)
also I’m considering moving my server to FreeBSD for ZFS

@motorto
31M

Hail void ! The most interesting distro at the moment. Super friendly community as well .

@zeinok
21M

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@bluefish
01M

use Mx Linux, ubuntu without systemd. No 1 at distrowatch.

@muesli
61M

No 1 at tampering with the distrowatch stats, maybe.

“THE UNIX PHILOSOPHY!!!”

GNU’s

Not

Unix.

The “Unix Philosophy” held Unix back to be a simple system only suitable for servers. GNU is something much more and it’s because of its non-adherence to “T3HUNECKZFILOSOPHEE”. Been using GNU for over 20 years, and systemd is the best thing that’s ever happened to it. Period. Suck it, haters.

@ster
21M

I’m not a systemd hater but I believe there is a lot of value to the Unix philosophy. Our tech is completely plagued by bloated software that wastes resources with adverts, spyware and DRM. By choosing more minimalistic free software we can understand the programs we use and take control over our technology.

@debiaooz
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.